I have loved the blogs so far, and our class discussions have been really great recently. However, much of what is being said is really just reiterating what has been discussed in class. My challenge to you is to start a new thread and bring up a topic that has not been discussed in relation to the novel. It does not necessarily have to be all about LOTF, but it should have something to do with it. For instance, it could be something you observed in school, either in our class, the halls, gym class, at a sporting event or the cafe, or it could be an observation about the book that no one has discussed yet.
Be insightful. You all have interesting things to say.......sometimes too much.....say some of those things here. Shock me with your knowledge.......make my English teacher's heart go pitter pat.
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The behavior displayed so far in the story is much like the typical behavior that would be noticable at a high school basketball game. At first everyone arrives and is pretty excited but the excitment is basically on the neutral level. As the game progresses the fans begin to do wild things even things out of character, like as if they are letting go of the "school appropriate" ways to act and are acting in a way like animals. Some of the older boys rip off their shirts and try and control the crowds by doing obserd things such as cheers or routines but the game goes on. The closer the teams are in points the more wild the crowd get.. Even the reff will get yelled at and bashed, when he is the one controlling the game the one who makes all the "leader" like decisions. The refs and the older students spectating the game even get into fights. If the game doesnt end up or go as the raging students wanted it to go, they will even offer to "meet them in the parking lot" where they would hopefully, without the stopping of the police standing by, rumble with the other team. Basketball games can get people into a very savage state that forces them to even become defensive and reactive rather than logical. Everyone is loud and verbally aggressive, even the little quiet freshman will stand up and fight for their team. Also what can sometimes cause more friction and rage in our schools spectators is a crowd that will chant back things about our spectators or players and put our people on the spot, this is something that really creates reaction from an already noisy crowd. There is much more to say but i have to write a boscaino paper
Mrs. Obrien if only i had the talent to make your heart go pitter pat i would, but i do got to agree with Jess 100% with the fact that once people arrive at a game it is just excitement found in the voices of the crowd, but as the game continues each crowd member is fed with rage by the chants of other people amongs them or the other team's. Causing them to say absurd things that normally they would not say if he/she were alone. Also brought up a good point with the reff's attempt to keep the games under control, much like piggy trying to keep things calm when him and ralph go to get his glasses back. Props jess, props....
So i wanted to expand more on this topic of the connection between both jack and ralph. Golding is showing their challenge of which is the true leader and which is trying to obtain this leadership. In wolfpacks the alpha dog is the one that leads the pack in all that it does. If the alpha is challenged and overthrown they will leave the pack because of the confrontation for leadership. The pack would be disfunctional if there were two dogs that tried to lead it. In Call of the Wild the "top dog" position is changed part way through the book and the dog that is overthrown, because he cannot leave the sled dog team, gets his food stolen and is "beaten up" by the other dogs. This is similar as to why Ralph says that Jack will never let him alone. Jack cannot allow Ralph to live in close proximity to him and his tribe because Ralph will undermine his power and possibly persuade some kids out of Jack's savage tribe and back to Ralph's civilized society. Golding is using the primal behavior of dominance to show just how far the boys have delved into savagry.
PS sorry mrs obrien for the topic choice i couldnt think of another
Going on about Jess's point, the excitement of a basketball game not only excites the crowd but it also excites the players. I myself have been involved in tight baseball and basketball games and it makes your heart race fast, especially if you are a contributing factor to the game. It makes you get lots of butterflies and can also make someone act like an animal. When you do well, you feel relieved and the crowd pumps you up. If you screw up, the animal comes out of you and you take your frustration by throwing a baseball or bat down in disgust for letting down your teammates. For example, if a basketball game on TV is close, and a player makes a shot that puts them in the lead for good, the player will sometimes beat his chest like an animal to show his dominance.
To start a thread, does anyone have any examples where they acted like an animal at sometime in their life whether it would be for a sport or anything else significant to them?
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